National Experimental Arts Forum 2015




in Collaboration with Leonardo Education Arts Forum and National Institute for Experimental Arts.




We do need to have artists discussing and reflecting problematic media



The conversation becomes a weird binary around materialism and the immaterial


video and sound are material


the excitement of technologies; resisting the excitement


what is missing with the rebellion


thinking about rigor, critical thinking, developing a visual vocabulary


relying on “ease”


we might like the struggle


how do we rebel against excitement to find experimentation?


beyond students, artists also have this resistance


moving away from working with the screen


doesn’t have to be working electronically


working with ipads and laptops, yes, but it’s also about whatever you’re doing with the screen, you are working in other spaces


it’s not about the technology,


the experimental is about quality of ideas, interaction, process


technology is in multiple locations


moving to socially engaged space can be experimental


learn by doing every minute


technologies of painting, the tubes of paint allowing for landscape painting


it’s what it adds to art that is the important question


tech enables, we’re the drivers, hopefully


trying to define words for what experimental might be about


developing language


developing language to empower someone to be experimental


rebellion


apologia for fine arts from Paul, foreclosed by time constraints


if we’re thinking about experimentation it’s also about play, play with purpose


purpose seeks results, not necessarily commercial results, but for the medium itself


experimentation can involve ideas, understanding, reflection, historical reflection


changes and revolution for which we lack language


artists are the best people, the supposed lack of boundaries


to be the counterbalance to the utilitarian neoliberal purposes


biology as a test case


new ontologies and understandings


artists being the ones to develop a new language that is more reflective, with different purpose.


problem finding vs problem solving


what we have learnt, is that there are endless possibilities, the inability to define art matters.


some art but not all art has become iterative of itself, mimicking itself (artists looking at themselves)


Is this true?


teaching sci students sci and art students art: when students take a science course they imagine the experimentation in the lab. In an art course, getting students to experiment is harder; they have “mastered a technique” and have commercial outcome desires


chip away at their baggage? expectations?


not defining an essence of something


dematerialization in art


70s, 80s, Lippard, removing the idea of the fetishized object


what good vibes here.


experimental art in general or in relation to technology?


as an art historian, in a modern or contemporary art concept, if art isn’t experimental, it isn’t art


examples?


does all art think it’s experimental?


institutional art vs art art


no privileged medium
you could be experimental with oil painting


at what point do you move from problem finding to problem solving, and does that moment mean entering process rather than experimentation?


art does something new and challenges things


Chipping away needs to be done by getting rid of final exhibitions


consequence of practice based practice being put into monumental artworks


the stuff of the studio


curatorial challenges


teaching to produce something that can be shown


students of cage; they struggled after learning from how to do something new


the vast opening leaves nothing left to do


frustration at vast openings
as a scientists i do experiments all the time


looking to experimental medicine and experimental art, interchangeability


yes please


an experiment is something that can fail


sometimes failure is the result


failure can be good in both science and art


amazing and good are different words


you can do experimental art not based on technology


chipping away happens crossing between disciplines


what is art, what does it mean to the scientist/biologist?


maybe the chipping away happens in crossing the disciplines


last question


memories


vocabulary from art epistemology


missing the vocabulary of politics


australian art, is it product oriented, europe doing philosophy, more freedom?


there is always a philosopher standing behind you, squeezing you


the core aspect is freedom to be experimental


making money means everyone stops and tries to find their line of aesthetics


different connotations of experimental


experimental tends toward new media


“with media”


experimental never came up until extra long artist residency


expectations of huge outcome


instead, changing mindset, excorcism,


wow that was a lot of stuff


we’ll try our best


we’ll circulate some things to read, comment on and edit


we look forward to outcomes of infinite nothingness and practicality


risk taking


take out taking?


half of it?


operating in the area of “I don’t know”


tough, i already wrote it down, paul


problem finding is an area of not defining too soon


ferment


foment


incubate


let’s all quietly imagine a glass of wine


space around education and art


steam stem


problem finding : why there needs to be art in stem space


going into situations with “build a bridge” thoughts


we’ll distribute some links


ooh the wiki


you could also come find me outside the room and i’ll type it in, or you can.


thank you.


we’ll link to the interview from Paul too


we work at UNSW


Never stand still


last desperate thoughts


political about experimentation


we need to be more radical


rebellion


no prescriptive pedagogy


generational differences re rebellion


what are we rebelling against?


who are the avant garde?


scientists, geoengineers have avant garde ideas


the trouble with the arts re invisibility until it’s visible


codifying art


hell bent on seeing things that resemble art


opening ourselves up to experimentation


awkward

applause!!!